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--- rfc:socketactivation [2012/10/18 23:26] – [Benefits] davidstrauss
+++ rfc:socketactivation [2012/10/18 23:51] – [Why not just use the ondemand process manager?] davidstrauss
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 ==== Why not just use the ondemand process manager? ====
-The ondemand process manager still keeps considerable memory
+The ondemand process manager still keeps considerable memory allocated, and PHP-FPM currently has some idle CPU load when not processing requests. It's <1% of a core per service, but it adds up when you manage 500+ pools, each as a service for security/resource isolation, on a box.
-allocated, and PHP-FPM currently has some idle CPU load (<1% per
-service, but it adds up when you manage 500+ pools on a box) when not
-processing requests.
-The ondemand process manager doesn't solve the dependency issue
+The ondemand process manager doesn't solve the dependency issue mentioned earlier (a web server requiring PHP-FPM to be ready) or allow privileges to be dropped before PHP-FPM gets invoked at all. The latter is useful for platform providers that let users configure PHP-FPM for their individual use cases but want to provide assigned "listening" sockets.
-mentioned earlier (a web server requiring PHP-FPM to be ready) or
+==== What about Upstart support? ====
-allow privileges to be dropped before PHP-FPM gets invoked at all. The
-latter is useful for platform providers that let users configure
+Upstart seems to have basic socket activation support, and integrating PHP-FPM with it would be a great follow-on project. All socket activation basically works the same way, in the sense of a file descriptor getting handed into the daemon. This RFC would pave the way for integration into additional superserver and init daemons.
-PHP-FPM for their individual use cases but want to provide assigned
-"listening" sockets.
+==== What about APC opcode cache efficiency? ====
+In order for pools to share an opcode cache they must be forked from the same parent process. There are ways to work around that, but it requires some fancy fd passing footwork in APC and I guess in many instances you don't actually want to share across pools anyway. (Abbreviated from Rasmus on PHP internals)
 ===== Changelog =====
+  * 2012-10-18: Integrate discussion items from the PHP internals list.
   * 2012-10-18: Patches added.
   * 2012-10-17: Initial version.

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